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25 November 2008 at 2:38:48 AM
joe

As proven tonight by the GRISD school board, students colluding together can accuse a teacher of having sex with them and get the teacher banned from even volunteering at GRISD. Chayce Wilson and Matt Brooks have proven that their unproven accusations (even called fabricated by a TEXAS JUDGE (yes a Judge, look it up if you don't believe me)) can blacklist a teacher, in this case Joelle Ogletree, at GRISD. The GRISD board is completely dependent (almost ignorantly willful to follow his lead) upon Wayne Rotan to even dispute her being able to volunteer giving the following reasons which I will gladly take a shot at:

1. Allegations - these were proven 0 by a JUDGE in a court with witnesses and lawyers. The fact that these are still being used as a crutch is pretty lame, even for a super making 100k+ a year! If you read what the TEXAS JUDGE wrote:

'the conclusion that all of Chayce’s allegations were fabricated'

C. Allegations of Matt B.

As with Chayce’s allegations of sexual misconduct by Ms. Ogletree, Matt’s range from implausible to impossible. The ALJ concludes none of alleged incidents occurred. Likewise, neither Matt’s claims regarding Ms. Ogletree’s general behavior nor his description of the atmosphere of her classroom are supported in the evidence.

2. Sleepover - I don't think teachers should have sleepovers anyway but this is not a reason to keep someone from being a volunteer, more of an excuse to hold against them. Any other teachers (or volunteers) ever kept from doing their duties because of a sleepover?

3. Encoded Notes - Anyone who has read the transcript of the case knows that these were dismissed as boys wishful thinking. Someone should read the 'findings of fact' sections 50-53:

50. Ms. Ogletree wrote Matt three notes with coded meanings.

51. Ms. Ogletree never wrote Matt a note containing a message with sexual meaning or innuendo.

52. Ms. Ogletree never explained the coded meanings to Matt.

53. Each of the three coded notes was written by Ms. Ogletree in the open; she did not try to hide anything from the class.

4. The I never game - This was addressed in the ALJ hearing as well, maybe some folks should read the 'findings of fact', sections 54-57:

54. Ms. Ogletree’s French class played the “I’ve Never” game once, and possibly twice, while Matt and Chayce were her students.

55. The “I’ve Never” game was played at the end of a six weeks’ test.

56. Ms. Ogletree never used profanity or made sexual innuendos during the “I’ve Never” game.

57. Ms. Ogletree did not allow sexually oriented conduct during the game.

5. Charged/Indicted - this is pretty much the same as the first...she was never convicted.

6. Pending litigation she has against school - this would be considered Retaliation, the thing she kept reminding you that you are not allowed to do but are doing anyway by making this one of the reasons. Sure there is a rule against doing it against teachers but doing against potential volunteers should be a given in the spirit of the rule.

7. GRISD was given Notice about her - this was 1 in the past while she was under investigation but since the charges were dropped and her teaching certificate ISSUED then there is no more notice so this can no longer be used as an excuse.

8. She visited her daughter at school 53 times - since when does this disqualify you to be a volunteer? Sure you are making the point that she sees her daughter at school but she wants to volunteer at the school and how many times she visits her daughter there should have NO bearing on if she can volunteer or not.

Now that we have, in one night, knocked out all of the things the GRISD (under Wayne Rotan's control) is using to stop the former graduate of GRHS from volunteering there, let's get back to the real prescedent that Wayne and the GRISD have set tonight....the power of the liars in the schools.

The school board is telling every teen who wants to get rid of a teacher to just work together with others and accuse him or her of having sex with you and the others. If you lie there are NO consequences (right Matt and Chayce? Did anyone at GRISD or the law ever punish you for lying?) other than everyone in town knowing you are a liar except those whom you have convinced. The door is WIDE OPEN now for students at GRISD to claim sexual assault by ganging up and doing it in pairs, it has worked quite effectively in this case. It's simple and works like this...

Figure out a way for you to be alone with the teacher with no cameras. You and a friend both accuse the same teacher at different times of the day and in similar situations with similar wording so it looks like a pattern. Ok now once you guys have your stories straight you start spreading rumors in classes that you are sleeping with teacher X but make sure the anal teachers can hear it (you know who they are) so they go running to Rotan to pluck the child molester from the class. After he fires them with no reason other than accusations just refuse to show up in court like Chayce or use an excuse why you can't go...and have the best liar like Matt just go and put on a good old show! It doesn't matter if the judge believes him or not...it only matters that Wayne Rotan believe him because he drives the board and they do EVERYTHING he recommends including not allowing Ogletree to be a volunteer. And that is how you can get a teacher at GRISD blacklisted from even being allowed to be a volunteer.


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1 - pharper   25 Nov 2008 @ 10:10:11 AM 

I had one of the board members trying to argue with me after the hearing that the Judge who presided over the ALJ hearing was a Lawyer and not a Judge. I guess you must have overheard the conversation, thanks for pointing out the obvious part about a JUDGE presiding over a court!  I also argued that no one is calling the school or board members and telling them to keep Joelle out of the school and he tried to tell me no one is asking them to allow her to do it and I said well I am one and the crowd that was on the right (behind Joelle) tonight is also asking you which should add another 12...he pretty much ignored that.

It is very obvious to me that the board members and Wayne Rotan have no interest in doing the right thing in this case because they have had multiple opportunities to do so and have purposely chosen the opposite path. The ones who were there last night could have made this right but all of them refused to do so...they should all be ashamed!


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2 - salon   25 Nov 2008 @ 12:42:28 PM 

What struck me is that the board put off making any decision about this, and they have the option of doing absolutely nothing at the next board meeting, including not even putting it on the agenda, and then having Rotan's recommendation stand without any one of them having to take a position. The biggest thing about those lame reasons that Rotan gave for denying her is that, even though the criminal case was dismissed with jeopardy and even though the ALJ said that all that stuff was 0 and fabricated by the students, the board continues to treat her AS IF SHE WERE GUILTY AND A CRIMINAL. Appalling. So, in this country, as I've said before, at least at Glen Rose Independent School District, the venerated idea that you are innocent until proven guilty is not the case, and even AFTER entities find that the case was trumped up, the superintendent and school board act as continued judges and juries, effectively as Joe so apty said, making their own blacklist based upon their prejudices and 0 ideas.

I mean, think about it. TEA has NO marks against her. Presumably if the entity that governs teachers were worried that she was a predator, they would NOT HAVE CLEARED HER. To say otherwise would be for the school itself to turn a jaundiced eye of contempt on the TEA and say that they do not respect not only their ability to license and clear but their procedures (with Administrative Law Judges) that render opinions to clear a teacher's name and reputation. Rotan has said before that he thinks that Ogletree is putting something over on the school. Based on what? He wasn't even superintendent when this happened and he didn't even READ any of the documents before saying that to the A-AS. And now, what, he has contempt for the law and order and Texas agency that isn't just some random agency, but the very agency that oversees his type of JOB?


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3 - harrison   25 Nov 2008 @ 5:21:54 PM 

The conduct of the board was reprehensible last night. You have a highly qualified individual (Joelle Ogletree), completely exhonerated by the court system, and yet the school board members and Superintendant Rotan cannot even make a nod of the head to affirm the court's rulings


4 - humanbeing   26 Nov 2008 @ 7:10:01 PM 

 The sad truth is the day these students made their destructive accusations was the day this woman's reputation died. There is no undoing of it in many people's minds, not matter what the courts say and the board will honor that first, regardless.

This is not California. There's no way this situation can return to what it was before the injustice was done.

If I were her, I would withdraw from the situation completely and move on.


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5 - salon   26 Nov 2008 @ 11:51:23 PM 

I don't think there's any attempt to change the closed minds of some who ignore the evidence, and I'm with you that I don't understand the position of the board and why they are sticking to something that is clearly wrong. And I agree with you that I don't think there's any magic wand that will suddently erase all the terrible things that happened and make it all pre-disaster. But I don't agree that she should move on at this point, instead of fighting, particularly when there is still an appeal going through the courts. It's a tough action, no matter how you slice it, and probably any action no matter what it is is bound to be misinterpreted by some. It's also not as if she can withdraw from the situation entirely-this is her town, her kin, her friends, her background, and her life, too, and I think if I were in her shoes, I'd try to volunteer every single year for the rest of the time my kids were in school and make them, every time, if for no other reason that to let the community see how wrong the action of the board is.


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6 - mcarapella   30 Nov 2008 @ 2:54:17 AM 

Having reviewed the video and spent the time to familiarize myself with the facts in this case


7 - salon   30 Nov 2008 @ 6:14:19 PM 

Well said. I think your example of a cross-purpose debate is excellent. And also why it would be that way, because the real reason was the lawsuit.


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8 - lifer   11 Dec 2008 @ 1:29:43 PM 

I took the time to read it mcarapella and I sure wish you could make it to a school board meeting and speak on her behalf.  I am so disappointed by the school board, and my wife knows a few of them personally, to think that none of them even had the courage to stand for or against her is appalling.



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