I don't want to talk about that baloney fabrication here, but on a point that has been running through my head when I hear of someone saying that he or she is actually fearful of Barack Obama winning *because he is a Muslim*. It is always, at least for me, someone who seems to be a christian and is worried about Our Christian Nation. It never seems to make much difference that Barack Obama IS a christian and has been so for many years because the suspicion is that he is lying and not a *real* Christian.
I've said before here that I was raised as a Southern Baptist and every church I ever attended had missions, ie, sending people who were so called to somewhere else in the world for the purpose of evangelizing those who were not *saved* to become christians. Again, the idea is that it is perfectly fine for people to decide to have a change of heart and change religion (or having none, to get one). And not only that, but to actively, in the case of evangelical Christians, to work to get conversions. That idea is not only behind missionaries, but also in organizations like Campus Crusaders or Jews for Jesus and many many other organizations that exist solely to evangelize.
I don't know that Obama was a muslim when he was a child. Perhaps he was. Perhaps not. I don't think it makes any difference (I'm with Colin Powell in this regard).
But suppose he was. So what? In measuring by a Christianity yardstick, what ought to count IF THE IDEA OF SAVING PEOPLE MAKES ANY SENSE AT ALL, is that he's been one for over 20 years. Otherwise, what those who quibble about this are really saying is that if, for example, a Jew converted to Christianity, he or she is not a REAL Christian, because he or she had a non-christian background. Evangelical Christians are pretty happy to read articles like this in which it appears many Muslims are converting to Christianity. So you see the contradiction? IF we were to assume that it's a good thing for people of other religions, faiths, creeds, etc to SWITCH to Christianity (and that includes Muslims), why would there be an exception when it comes to Obama (I repeat again that I do not know that he was a practicing Muslim, but I DO know he's been a Christian for at least 20 years).
Back to Colin Powell for a moment, because, frankly, as Powell said, prejudice against Muslims is not acceptable. He talked about a picture he saw in magazine article about fallen soldiers. Here's the pic and here's what Colin Powell said, in case you can't watch that video, above.
"Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no. That's not America. Is there something wrong with a seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing he or she could be president? Yet I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion that he is a Muslim and might have an association with terrorists. This is not the way we should be doing it in America.
I feel particularly strong about this because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who were serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay, was of a mother at Arlington Cemetery and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone, and it gave his awards - Purple Heart, Bronze Star - showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death, he was 20 years old. And then at the very top of the head stone, it didn't have a Christian cross. It didn't have a Star of David. It has a crescent and star of the Islamic faith.
And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan. And he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was fourteen years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he could serve his country and he gave his life."
What I suspect is that this whole *He's a Muslim* is really a blind for racism. And it's really a shame in particular that the Republican party has attempted to juice that up during this election, including Sid Miller. I can't see where christianity allows for negativity against another on the basis of race, so perhaps that's why, in the face of evidence, some who don't want to openly admit racism, espouse the Muslim 0hood.
But my point here is that IF one is an evangelical Christian, you can't make that argument. Unless your work as missionaries is all a sham and a pretense.
P.S. These McCain-Palin supporters look or sound Christian to you?
P.P.S. I want to make clear that I am not an evangelical Christian, although I once was. I am merely pointing out that the *argument* that is used BY evangelicals is a faulty one and needs to be scrapped. And people need to quit living in fear.
Here I am in my 6th decade of life on earth and nearing the end of my journey I see so little of the advancement of humanity. There has been lots of technological advances but zip, nada on the love thy neighbor front. I respect pro life but really walk the talk if you believe. That means you are also a vegetarian and you don't believe in war. Most of the so called pro lifers only believe in unborn life. Once that life is here, in typical Republican fashion, it is on it's own.
What you think is not wrong, not even in this 'new century'. We are moving through rapid change and hopefully, this change will be in our consciousness. We absolutely must learn to respect one another. This is what Christianity teaches and all the other religions, too. It is a fundamental truth. People who do not respect others have no self-respect.
I think that most of the negative energy comes from fear. My mother used to say the only thing she was really afraid of was ignorance. I agree.
Keep holding to the truth you know. Keep speaking out against the ignorance.
Obama will be IMHO a terrible President for this country and it will have nothing to do with him having a muslim name or relations or being muslims (which he is not, since he went to Rev Wright's Trinity UCC for 20 years). It will have everything to do with him being wrong on economic growth and having no agenda that will give us real economic growth, and have a foreign policy that will resemble Jimmy Carter's.
"What I suspect is that this whole *He's a Muslim* is really a blind for racism."
(sigh) I suspect the 'youre a racist' line is to the kooky libs what 'hes a muslim' is to the kooky right. That's kneejerkism. They see racism in every remark.
Funny how some are so quick to accuse fellow Texans of racism yet so slow to notice that 3 african-Americans, all Republicans, won statewide races this election. And slow too to notice that Obama did better than Kerry did in 2004 here; fears of a racist vote were disproven; of the people who voted based on skin color, Obama *won* handsdown. That doesnt racism doesnt exist, but it sure mean that its not the widespread hobgoblin some make it out to be.
You obviously don't live in rural Texas, where not only have these remarks been made but are made pretty regularly. You can certainly speak from your own experience and I speak from mine, which is to repeat WHEN this argument, in my post above, is being made, and it's being made by evangelical Christians, it is a 0 argument.
While I agree that saying "Obama is a Muslim" is 0, by simply dismissing the whole argument as some kind of hidden racism you dont do justice to who Obama really is. Barack Hussein Obama is a muslim name, named after his muslim (and socialist) Dad. His Mom remarried another muslim from Indonesia, where he went to a school and was listed as religion 'muslim' and was taught quranic studies. Obama curiously never attend public schools in the United States (and now is sending his own kids to private schools).
"when I hear of someone saying that he or she is actually fearful of Barack Obama winning *because he is a Muslim*." ... what you are hearing is people fearful that Obama doesnt share their Christian values. And guess what, he probably doesnt, given the traditional social conservative values of those who probably express it and the complete lack of same by Obama.
You miss my point entirely about why it doesn’t matter at all what or if Obama was a muslim before. The same people around here who talk about Obama being a muslim also say they wouldn’t vote for a black man. Perhaps people are telling you something different-in that case, your experience is different than mine. You seem to be saying that even if Obama was raised as a muslim, whatever he is now, his Christian religion is not valid, and he’s misleading people about it. About Christian values- one can’t generalize and say that “people* are fearful that Obama doesn’t share Christian values-some sects of Christendom may believe that, and one then must ask where the yardstick is that defines what are 1 Christian values and what are not, and what constitutes a 1 Christian church and what does not. We could spend hours discussing whether this one or that one’s faith is *real* or not, which seems to be edifying if one is a member of a group that wants to be exclusive and have the *1* faith, but not so much for others. You may question whether Obama’s faith is real, and certainly there may be some who share your view, but I believe it’s a fallacy to set up a view of what 1 Christianity is, especially when there are so many variations and sects. Pretty arrogant as well.
US President George W. Bush on Thursday declared the ability to change religion a fundamental right, at a UN inter-faith conference that has highlighted tensions between the Muslim and Western worlds.
Bush praised his close ally, Saudi King Abdullah, for sponsoring the conference, but effectively challenged the strict Islamic kingdom's outlawing of apostasy, or change of religion.
Addressing representatives of 80 countries at the United Nations, Bush noted that the UN Declaration of Human Rights, adopted 60 years ago, enshrines "the right to choose or change religions and the right to worship in private or public."
"Freedom includes the right of all people to worship as they see fit," he said on the second and final day of the conference, billed as a dialogue on religious tolerance.
As *they* see fit, not as others want to tell them they should be worshipping.