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Boy! I Remember Now Why I Dislike Hillary Clinton So Much- *Shouting*

25 October 2015 at 11:20:43 AM

I'm a woman. Yes, I would like to see a woman be president, just like I'm glad women can vote, serve on juries, have their own credit cards, etc. BUT I don't want to vote for a woman JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN (I mean, I'm not voting for Carly Fiorina, who ran HP into the ground, wouldn't vote for a Republican anyway) . And there's no mistaking that Clinton is using her gender as a reason to vote for her, regardless of her platform positions on issues. It's the sister of the Poor Poor Me I'm A White Male Republican victim baloney that plays so well with the Republicans. Believe me, I understand how women have to overcome all types of male baloney and am a feminist, but that's exactly WHY I don't like to see this type of pandering to women BY a woman.

Clinton must think women are morons that will vote her just because. Otherwise, she would not have taken this comment of Bernie Sanders, which had nothing at all to do with gender, and turned it into a "LOOK AT ME I REFUSE TO BE VICTIMIZED" statement.

Here's what Sanders said at the CNN Debate

SANDERS: As a senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton, that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we are seeing.

I believe that there is a consensus in this country. A consensus has said we need to strengthen and expand instant background checks, do away with this gun show loophole, that we have to address the issue of mental health, that we have to deal with the strawman purchasing issue, and that when we develop that consensus, we can finally, finally do something to address this issue.

Yes. I agree with Bernie Sanders. I live in Texas, which is most likely very much like Vermont in how people feel about their guns. Heck, remember the pic of Rick Perry with his gun held up in the air and him talking about shooting a coyote while on a morning run (which I think, by the way, was complete bs)? My family has 4 guns, Texas passed open-carry and even the zoo has an issue with people trying to bring their guns in. I don't personally like the flaunting of guns, especially open carry, but some of the more paranoid in Texas worry that the government is trying to take their guns away. It's simply a very emotional issue and yes, people on all sides SHOUT at each other down here about what they believe (witness my Facebook feed which is full of people from my locale that SHOUT that nobody is going to take our guns away, and how christian they are, like the meme pic above).

Here's what Clinton said last night at the Iowa Democrat Party JJ dinner 

“Sometimes when a woman speaks out people think it’s shouting,” she intoned — a reference to Sanders’ accusation that she was “shouting” about gun control during the debate.

Bernie Sanders laughed about that this morning, and I do too

Sanders criticized the "shouting" from both sides on gun issues in the first Democratic presidential debate. Clinton said Saturday in Iowa that Sanders' remarks came with a gender-related undercurrent.

She said: "I'm not shouting. It's just that when women talk, some people think we're shouting."

Sanders on Sunday laughed at her suggestion that his remarks were about gender.

"All that I can say is I am very proud of my record on women's issues. I certainly do not have a problem with women speaking out -- and I think what the secretary is doing there is taking words and misapplying them," Sanders told Tapper.

"What I would say is if we are going to make some progress in dealing with these horrific massacres that we're seeing, is that people have got to start all over this country talking to each other," he said. "It's not Hillary Clinton. You have some people who are shouting at other people all across this country. You know that. This nation is divided on this issue."

Seems to me that Clinton is trying to take the emphasis away from what Sanders SAID, which is that he supports strengthening and expanding instant background checks, do away with the gun show loophole, etc. And instead of talking about the ISSUE of gun control, make it a whiny "Oh, He's Complaining about ME or Complaining about Women shouting" where he was not. What, in order to capture the "I am A Victim" female votes?????? If she believes that she has a point to make regarding Sander's positions on gun control, then make them based on that and not a side route through Victimhood. I like to think women are smarter than to fall for this. 

During that same debate, Sanders said much the same thing to Martin O'Malley. Was he being sexist to O'Malley? Pfffftt.

To O'Malley he said, 'We can raise our voices, but I come from a rural state, and the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states, whether we like it or not.'

P.S. Speaking of victims. As a side note, in Clinton's pandering to women and appealing to their victimhood, she said this at the CNN debate. I disagree with this too. The primary victims of war are the people, men AND women,  who FOUGHT in the wars. The people that died were not the primary victims? The people that were injured and lived are not the primary victims? Please. The ONLY reason to say something like this is to appeal to women believing themselves to be THE victims. Enough with female victimhood. 

P.P.S. For the pearl clutching and smelling salts carrying HIllary Clinton fans, I have NEVER voted for a Republican, have ALWAYS voted Democrat, and I get, in a democracy, to be for one candidate versus another, despite YOUR best efforts. I suspect at least a bit proportion of the crazy Hillary Clinton fans who are eager to call other people racist based on support for Bernie Sanders, that they didn't vote for President Barack Obama in at least one of the last elections. I did. I voted for him TWICE.

Bernie Sanders response.

P.P.P.S. I see today that Slate has an article on the same subject.  "Hillary Clinton Is Smearing Bernie Sanders as a Sexist; It’s ridiculous. Bernie’s record as a feminist is as good as Hillary’s."

The article points out that Sanders has been using that answer of "shouting" or "yelling and screaming" for years with both men and women, because it's about the 2 sides of the issue. So why does the author say she's doing it? 

She’s using the story to bond with women, to paint Sanders as a patronizing old fart, and to portray herself as a victim.

....No honest reading of his career or his comments about guns can cons1 him as a sexist. Clinton is trying to connect with women who have felt bullied by men, and to turn them against Sanders, by smearing him. And what’s 1 of racism and anti-Semitism is just as 1 of sexism: The more seriously you take the real thing, the more you should revile people who use it as a fraud.

P.P.P.P.S. Was Bill Clinton being sexist when HE said this some years back?

Speaking at a meeting of the state Democratic Party, where he was confronted by hundreds of activists in the audience waving green signs proclaiming "No Retreat - Stand up for Affirmative Action," the president said:

"We don't have to retreat from these affirmative action programs that have done great things for the American people. But, we do have to ask ourselves: Are they all working? Are they all fair? Has there been any kind of reverse discrimination?

"This is psychologically a hard time for a lot of white males . . . the angry white male. Most are working harder for less."

His words at first drew chants of "No retreat, no retreat" from the activists.

"Stop shouting," he said at one point. "That's what they want us to do. . . . We have to lower our voices."

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1 - david   26 Oct 2015 @ 4:08:49 PM 

Ms. Clinton was most likely previously hand-picked for the U.S. CEO position, by the bankers she and her husband served so well when Billy was in office. Billy signed the law which repealed Glass-Stegall, and she was in on the non-dischargable in bankruptcy student loans. They love her.

2 - salon   26 Oct 2015 @ 5:14:17 PM 

So with you, David. I obviously don't love her, unlike the banks. Have to run through the dates. Clinton in senate from 2001-2009, announced to run in 2007. 

2001- She voted FOR the bankruptcy bill.

2002- voted FOR the Iraq War

2005- missed the bankruptcy bill vote. (The House rep for Somervell County at that time, Chet Edwards, voted FOR it, which was disturbing.) From NY Times. -one of the comments

Helen NYC: The variations were not significant. What changed is Mrs. Clinton’s position. She was not running for office, and did not support the bill during her husband’s presidency for the same reason I did not support it: it was a bill written by the banking industry, for the benefit of the banking industry, at the expence of lower income/lower educated people who are more apt to seek bankruptcy protections from unfavorable loans (such as from predatory lenders). The right and the banking industry was arguing, incorrectly but effectively, that people were running to seek bankruptcy protection in court and skirt their obligations to repay their loans. This is misleading because not everyone who seeks bankruptcy protection gets it. You have to overcome certain hurdles. Anyway, the industry re-introduced the bill, in pretty much the same shape, after Bill Clinton left office with his veto pen knowing that a more friendly Bush White House will support it. This was in 2001, when Hillary Clinton supported the bill. It didn’t make it to the White House and never got signed.

What is important here, is that the bill did not change significantly. The banking industry saw a more friendly White House and re-introduced the bill on that basis, with Mrs. Clinton’s full support. At this point she was beginning her presidential run, and was using this to creat a centrist appearance at the expense of the poor who needs bankruptcy protection. Afterall, how can you be a crazy, left wing communist if you are supportive of big banking industry–the ultimate support of capitalism over communism?!

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