Hah! Now Guiliani Says if Trump Shot Someone, He could avoid indictment AND Trump says he can pardon himself


 
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Hah! Now Guiliani Says if Trump Shot Someone, He could avoid indictment AND Trump says he can pardon himself
 


4 June 2018 at 11:47:05 AM
salon

What a joke! The whole idea of our constitution is that all men are created equal, not that someone we elect can say he is above ALL law, including when he breaks them. 

Ugh. What loathsome immoral people these are. Why should someone elected who, as Guiuliani says, shoots someone, be above the law? Disgusting.
And Giuliani also said that Trump probably could pardon himself. 
Trump eagerly jumped on that bandwagon this morning by tweeting that he can pardon himself. 

AND Why is Donald Trump so all fired up about wanting to make sure he pardons himself? He keeps trying over and over to call the special investigator probe a *witch hunt* and that there is no *collusion* but the facts are against him. And it just came out over the weekend that he is the one that drafted the statement for Donald Trump Jr about the Russia meeting. Accepting pardon means that one also admits guilt. The only thing accepting a pardon does (which is optional) is prevent or commute punishment. See Burdick v United States

A pardon is an act of grace, proceeding from the power entrusted with the execution of the laws, which exempts the individual on whom it is bestowed from the punishment the law inflicts for a crime he has committed. It is the private though official act of the executive magistrate, delivered to the individual for whose benefit it is intended. A private deed, not communicated to him, whatever may be its character, whether a pardon or release, is totally unknown and cannot be acted on.

Will Bunch

— Trump is abusing his pardon power to reward his friends and other high-profile celebrities. If the president is deploying any of his institutional prerogatives “to the hilt,” it’s the blanket power to issue pardons and clemency in federal cases, as granted by the Constitution. That power is a remarkable opportunity to overturn a perceived past injustice and reward redemption — but also to benefit a president’s cronies, or even help protect the chief executive himself from prosecution.

One of the so-called democratic norms that’s evolved over American history is a formal pardon-review process to prevent the potential abuses. Past presidents waited on recommendations from the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney — a lengthy process that typically includes a five-year waiting period to allow an applicant to prove he or she is contributing to society. The process has sometimes sparked frustration; many urged Obama, for example, to move sooner than he did to right some of the excesses of the latter 20th-century “war on drugs.”

Trump has paid no attention to process, or tradition. He’s issued pardons for people not yet brought to justice — the Arizona ex-sheriff Joe Arpaio, a Trump supporterwho’s shown no remorse for the charges that he defied court orders to racially profile Latinos — and people who aren’t giving back to society, like the also remorseless and generally despicable, conservative, outrage-generator Dinesh D’Souza, pardoned just last week. The only guiding principle, it seems, is being a friend or political supporter of Trump or — in the (deserved) case of late boxer Jack Johnson — getting recommended by a celebrity friend of Trump, Sylvester Stallone.

We didn't elect someone to be a dictator. Every kid who took civics and American History knows that the founders and early citizens  of this country were against having a King. 

As our president bears no resemblance to a king so we shall see the Senate has no similitude to nobles. First, not being hereditary, their collective knowledge, wisdom, and virtue are not precarious. For by these qualities alone are they to obtain their offices, and they will have none of the peculiar qualities and vices of those men who possess power merely because their father held it before them.

Tench Coxe, An American Citizen, No.2, September 28, 1787

Will Bunch, again

Trump is doing very little with his presidency but to dictate things. He wakes up every morning and dictates lies, then he dictates arbitrary justice, and then he dictates unilateral policies — trade wars with our allies in Canada or in Europe, requiring power plants to burn dirty fuels like coal, or ripping little kids from their mommies and daddies at the border — that could never win political or legislative support, because they lack common sense or morality, or both.

Hour by hour, lie by lie, dictate by dictate, Donald Trump is becoming an American dictator. And recent days have proved what many of us have long feared: That no one knows how to stop this. Not the Republicans or Democrats on Capitol Hill who, for different reasons, are too cowed politically to take substantive action. And not a news media that doesn’t have the mechanisms for informing the public when a president is a compulsive liar. Maybe things will change after the November midterm election — but there’s no guarantee, and that feels like a long time away.

NYMAG 

By the end of the day, Giuliani had come up with a far more concise, and vivid, explanation of the president’s powers. “In no case can he be subpoenaed or indicted,” Giuliani told HuffPost Sunday night. “I don’t know how you can indict while he’s in office. No matter what it is.”

Echoing Trump’s claim during the campaign that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters, Giuliani explained that if there’s a criminal in the Oval Office, the law can’t touch him until the Legislative branch acts.

“If he shot James Comey, he’d be impeached the next day,” Giuliani said. “Impeach him, and then you can do whatever you want to do to him.”

Scholars are actually divided on whether the president can be indicted, but there is general agreement that the easiest way to deal with a felonious president is to impeach him first, and then indict.


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