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16 July 2013 at 9:35:46 AM

We read the Glen Rose Reporter newspaper. Last week there was an article on the *Inspiration* page about a 25 foot Noah's Ark Replica dedication ceremony. (Good thing it was in *Inspiration* because it sure wasn't *Science*.) Not sure if the Ark is placed anywhere near Tom Landry's statue.Don't really care about the Noah's ark statue, although it looks like a fun children's toy, but this caught my eye.

At Saturday's Noah's Ark Replica Dedication Ceremony at the Creation Evidence Museum of Texas, artist Steve Miller (left) presented paintings of Ed Davis being shown Noah's Ark fragments on Mount Ararat in Turkey to Dr. Don Shockey (center) and Sir David Otway Wray, Ph.D. (right). Wray, who is world renowned in the field of quantum algebra, revealed that he came up with an eight-page equation - supported by his colleagues - that determined the universe is only 6,000-10,000 years old. "The farther back I went in time, the more refined and orchestrated the universe became," Wray said. That conclusion supports the museum's Noah's Ark replica, which shows dinosaurs coexisting with humans and mammals.

... said he had worked out an eight-page equation regarding the universe that his colleagues couldn't dispute. "They told David they couldn't find anything wrong, they just didn't like his conclusions" said museum director Carl Baugh...

Which colleagues are those?. Funny how the *conclusion comment sounds a lot like what this book says.

From Wake Up! The Lord is Coming!

Russian scientist, Dr David Otway-Wray, a specialist in the theory of quantum mechanics, subjected the Book of Genesis to particle and solid-state physics, and  algebraic formula, concluding that this solar system could not be any older, than  between 6,000-10,000 years of age; although I cannot accept his arguments, the  time continuum overcomes the objection to a greater length of time for the origination of life on Earth

One would think that Dr Wray has submitted his paper for peer review to a scientific journal, perhaps mathematics, open for discussion and comment on why he believes his equations based on the Bible are correct. Source, please, along with a list of exactly who these colleagues of Dr Wrays are, along with a verifiable reference and their credentials. Also, please post the link to the 8 page paper so that all may read it here.

Surprisingly enough, I know I sure am, the idea that the universe is only 6000 years old MATCHES WHAT BAUGH BELIEVES. Whodathunk?

While Wray had originally planned to give a dissertation on his equations to substantiate the universe, tehre was concern about the ceremony being the right time for that due to the complexity of his findings.

Gee. Compare that to THIS.

The universe is 13.73 billion years old, give or take 120 million years, astronomers said last week.

That age, based on precision measurements of the oldest light in the universe, agrees with results announced in 2006. Two additional years of data from a NASA satellite known as the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe have narrowed the uncertainty by tens of millions of years.

“Everything is tightening up and giving us better and better precision all the time,” said Charles L. Bennett, a professor of physics and astronomy at Johns Hopkins University and the leader of the group analyzing the data. “It’s actually significantly better than previous results. There is all kinds of richness in the data.”

P.S. In case you're interested in reading about Noah's Ark hoaxes.

The history:
First, you need to understand that this is the same team that claimed to have a piece of petrified wood, assumed to be part of Noah’s ark, taken from Mt. Ararat two years ago:
After the 2008 press release, Dr. Patton and another friend of mine, Dr. Don Shockey (another long-time Noah’s ark researcher and Ararat explorer) flew to Hong Kong to meet with the Chinese team to discuss their findings, and see if they could possibly collaborate on research.
It very quickly became apparent that the “petrified wood” was simply volcanic rock, and not petrified wood at all. An honest mistake, but unfortunately, this particular piece of “wood” has resurfaced with the media hub-bub of this past week. This “petrified wood” was not the sample that was carbon dated, mentioned in this recent press release (more on that in a minute).
The person who “found” the site is a Turkish man by the name of Parasut, who has already been known to con ark researchers in the past, and it would appear that this particular case is no different. Parasut has been the “guide” for the Hong Kong team.
In 2008, Dr. Price and Dr. Patton joined the Hong Kong team for an expedition to the alleged site of Noah’s ark. After a month of waiting, with Parasut continually drunk, the expedition never happened, and a lot of money was lost. Not to mention, this is an incredibly dangerous area all-around. People die on these expeditions – regularly.


Randall Price is a professor at Liberty University and he was involved with this expedition. He explains the “discovery” as the result of a carefully orchestrated hoax.

I was the archaeologist with the Chinese expedition in the summer of 2008 and was given photos of what they now are reporting to be the inside of the Ark. I and my partners invested $100,000 in this expedition (described below) which they have retained, despite their promise and our requests to return it, since it was not used for the expedition. The information given below is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard (from others who claim to have been eyewitnesses or know the exact details).

To make a long story short: this is all reported to be a fake. The photos were reputed to have been taken off site near the Black Sea, but the film footage the Chinese now have was shot on location on Mt. Ararat. In the late summer of 2008 ten Kurdish workers hired by Parasut, the guide used by the Chinese, are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. In the winter of 2008 a Chinese climber taken by Parasut’s men to the site saw the wood, but couldn’t get inside because of the severe weather conditions. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film. As I said, I have the photos of the inside of the so-called Ark (that show cobwebs in the corners of rafters – something just not possible in these conditions) and our Kurdish partner in Dogubabyazit (the village at the foot of Mt. Ararat) has all of the facts about the location, the men who planted the wood, and even the truck that transported it.

My prediction is that this won’t be the last attempt to scam believers.

Problems with the Noah's Ark Flood theory

P.P.S. We're still waiting for Baugh to submit that Alvis Delk footprint to an actual SCIENCE organization for verification. Hah!

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1 - pstern   28 Jul 2013 @ 8:51:01 AM 

Nothing but theories, equation based on presumed abstract calculations... no hard EVIDENCE for any of this.  There is more evidence on Global Warming and the Green House Effect than for this, yet so many refuse to believe.

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2 - Prof Dr David Otway Wray   25 Oct 2013 @ 10:23:19 PM  Hopefully our Youtube lectures shall answer most of your questions, and we are publishing this as well as newer findings now in English. Indeed my paper was published twenty-five years ago in Russian in The USSR. We found it odd that Communists saw this as scientific while Americans viewed it as nonsensical. Is it strange to find that the universe is quite young according to YOUR NASA? Or is it fear of the unknown or of potentially insane "Christian" (mis-)behaviour? I love to debate these issues of creation, but only in case there be common ground as an ultimate goal. Best to each one, Prof Dr David Otway Wray

3 - salon   26 Oct 2013 @ 1:11:07 PM 

Right. I will wait breathlessly while you prepare a Youtube lecture rather than defend what you seem to uncategorically believe and would not defend in person while here in Glen Rose. Either you want to defend what you say or you don't, but it's a weak dodge to say you will only do so if there is *common ground*.  I repeat what I wrote about your paper

One would think that Dr Wray has submitted his paper for peer review to a scientific journal, perhaps mathematics, open for discussion and comment on why he believes his equations based on the Bible are correct. Source, please, along with a list of exactly who these colleagues of Dr Wrays are, along with a verifiable reference and their credentials. Also, please post the link to the 8 page paper so that all may read it here.

Waiting for you to specifically answer these questions, with sources.

On the Ark; One assumes that "common ground"  would mean credulous people who uncritically accept that the Ark story is anything other than an unscientific Biblical myth.

this contradictory set of instructions was no bother to Noah and to future Biblical literalists. If he takes seven pair, then he also takes two pair. And in some ancient esoteric traditions it is possible that seven means two. Also of no importance is that these flood stories appear to be cribbed from the neighboring Bablylonians. Even though the scientific evidence strongly indicates that the Babylonian texts are older than the Jewish texts, Bible believers know that can't be so. Therefore, the scientists are wrong. The Bible story is older. End of story.

Noah's ark is the boat built by the Biblical character Noah and his family. At the command of AG, according to the story, Noah was to build a boat that could accommodate his extended family and a lot of animals. Some Bible folks say he only needed to bring about 16,000 pairs of breeders. (He just needed to bring "kinds" of animals, not samples of each species, which some moronic interpreters think is the intended meaning.) Others say that the number of species needed ranged from 1.5 million to 4 or 5 million. Of course, we're including insects and maybe a few bacteria or viruses. Anyway, the craft had to be big and had to be constructed to endure the divinely planned universal flood aimed at destroying every other person and animal on earth. Aquatic animals pose a minor problem since most can live only in sweet water or salt water but not both. A universal flood would mix the seas with the sweet water lakes, rivers, and streams....

My figures are quick and dirty--I don't know how many genera of animals have been identified, for example, or how many genera of plants can't tolerate six months of total immersion. I also didn't consider how long it would take for plants to recolonize the Earth, providing the necessary forage for the vegetarians and, ultimately, the necessary food for the carnivores. What are the poor meat-eaters to eat before the bunnies, elands, etc. do their thing?

Feeding mammals requires about 15 kcal/kg of body weight per day (that varies widely: for shrews, for example, it's on the order of 250 kcal/kg. That is, 1600 tons of animals would consume something on the order of 32,000,000 kcal/day, probably more because the vast majority of genera are physically much smaller than humans. For six months, that would come to at least 4,800,000,000 kcal. Even if the food were entirely fat (the most calorie-dense food), that would require 53,333 kg (roughly 56 tons) of food. But since ungulates mostly eat grass or hay, we're talking a lot more food--each elephant consumes 65+ kg of forage a day and other large ungulates consume some tens of kg of food per day--the four elephants (two genera) alone would consume 260 kg daily, or more than 50 tons during six months. For that matter, since the Flood followed the Fall, many "kinds" would have to consume meat, which you can't preserve that long except by drying, requiring enormous amounts of fresh water in addition to that consumed by most animals--mammals require perhaps three liters of water per 100 kg per day. Those poor elephants have to consume among them some 750 liters (200 gallons) of water per day. Assuming the oceans were so diluted by the rain as to make the water potable (highly unlikely), the ability of the ark to carry cargo would be less--only about 98% of my original estimate.

More on those pesky Chaldean flood tablets which are older than the Genesis account.

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4 - salon   16 Oct 2015 @ 9:30:19 PM 

Carl Baugh apparently has a part in a new movie "Finding Noah" proving that the P T Barnum motto is true.  Amazes me anyone spends even a cent on this guy who even other recognized creation organizations say is full of baloney

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