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4 July 2013 at 8:48:01 AM

The Texas Anti-Abortion bill will be passed soon.   Along with the ridiculous Voter ID Law, Texas is now back in the Dark Ages.  So, welcome back to the 1950’s!   Seems we have quite a few McCarthy's in our legislature.

And before you point the finger that I am a liberal.... wrong! 
I am a centrist Republican, not one of those extremist GOP Tea Party crumpet nut jobs infiltrating our government at all levels --- a REAL Republican.  
Real Republicans are a faint glimmer of the past.  They believe in the basic GOP platform: less government in our lives, fewer taxes, rein in extravagant spending, and yet having compassion for all citizens and a high regard for the community good.  Those were the days, my friend.
It is just common sense that the above 2 laws attack individual rights, women, the elderly, the poor and majority community needs.
That said, there is no doubt that within a few years the Anti-Abortion and Voter ID laws will be overturned and removed.  It’s just a matter of time. 
GOP extremists won the battle on these 2 issues, but NOT the war. 
Extremists in either party will destroy themselves eventually.  Being more centered on most issues is best for the American people.

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1 - pstern   4 Jul 2013 @ 10:25:27 PM 

Great article in CNN on what happened with the anti-Abortion Bill in the regular, 1st special session and now.  I'm glad it was written.  It's important the rest of the nation is aware what is going on in Texas and in those states where Tea Party GOP ultra right wing nuts are ruling by bullying and acting against the law.

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2 - humanbeing   5 Jul 2013 @ 2:25:45 PM 

Yes, good article. Reminds me of what's going on up here in Somervell County with the Hospital District.

The statute allows those who don't like the results of the election to make a run at doing it over. The dissenters' right to petition is apparently unencumbered by any qualifications such as the length of time the District must have been in operation or documented poor performance by the District, and I guess there also are no restrictions as to how long this petition may remain in circulation...forever?

So much for the value of a vote... 

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3 - salon   5 Jul 2013 @ 2:53:51 PM 

HB. The article on CNN is about cheaters. Surely you are not attempting to conflate changing the process  with a minimum of elected officials who are violating the US constitution with legally following the LAW. (You don't like the law as it's written- tell your Texas legislator what you want changed for the next session and make some effort to get it changed.) Unlike what the Texas legislators did, the people who are following the legal process to do a referendum, etc. are following the rules. And don't forget that the threshold for getting enough signatures, per the law, is much higher than what the original petitioners had to get. And citizens always have the right to petition their government.
I know you are disgruntled about this but it is not only unfair but taking an unreasonable potshot on those who are following the law to do this petition, not circumventing it. Please rethink.

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4 - pstern   5 Jul 2013 @ 3:57:16 PM 

I also don't see how the article is like the petition issue you have locally.  It is the right of citizens to petition.  It takes as long as it takes to get the needed signatures.  Once they get the signatures it will move along to the designated officials.  If they never get the needed votes the petition will float in cyberspace... or wherever petitions float.

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5 - concerned citizen   5 Jul 2013 @ 4:38:43 PM 

HB--you failed to mention that hospital district failed in first election, so they called another and won by merely 2 votes!  Who's playing system now?  Look at all facts!  The petition to recall hospital district is in its infancy (weeks) and your complaining that our democratic system is working by the laws in place?  How insulting to our community!  The majority will once again speak, LOUDLY!!!!!

6 - pstern   5 Jul 2013 @ 5:24:39 PM 

cc:  they did the same thing a few years ago to us in Hays County with a Road Bond Package.  The majority of voters disapproved it.  In the very next election they changed  a few things and it was NARROWLY approved, even though most of the original remained.  It has and will cost homeowners/taxpayers too much.

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7 - humanbeing   5 Jul 2013 @ 6:10:17 PM 

Salon, cc and pstern:

I purposely omitted the reference to cheaters in the article and specifically stated that the statute (the law) allows the petition. What caught my attention in the article was the comment about a do-over. Yes, the vote for the District was close but it did win.

I have not suggested in any way that citizens should not have the right to petition their government and I do understand that, like the Hays County election, an issue can be brought to a vote more than once, like our Hospital District election. But a petition is not the same as an election.

My problem with the statute is that it allows this petition to go forward before the entity that was voted in has even gone into operation. If the statute required that a petition to dissolve the District in question could not be instigated until that District had been in operation for a defined period of time, let's say for example, a minimum of two years, then I would be more accepting of it. Otherwise, why not just allow citizen petitions to overturn every election?

Disgruntled and insulting for voicing my opinion about the statute? With all due respect, get over it. 

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8 - pstern   5 Jul 2013 @ 6:47:28 PM 

Otherwise, why not just allow citizen petitions to overturn every election?

Because the whole idea behind the petition is that you need a very substantial number of the population to defeat the bill, law, bond issue, whatever it is. 

While you could very possibly or theoretically have a petition for almost anything under the sun, the reality is that most petitions do NOT get the number of signatures they need to be sent to the officials for review .

So, that's the point.

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9 - humanbeing   5 Jul 2013 @ 7:45:17 PM 

If my understanding is correct, the petition requires signatures by 15% of registered voters in the county. We have something just over 5000. That means that around 750 signatures, about half of the number who voted in the election, can overturn the vote.

Now, according to what I've read, it's a big deal these days when 15% of registered voters show up to vote. Call me contrary and unrealistic, but these numbers are not impressive to me and do not represent a substantial number of anyone's voter population...but then I guess that's another, different conversation.

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10 - pstern   5 Jul 2013 @ 7:51:39 PM 

First off, it is significant.  Secondly, even when the petition gets all the needed signatures it does NOT automatically overturn the voting.  It must first be reviewed by officials.  Then there is a process that follows.  You may want to look up the rules governing petitions before you make comments without knowing the entire process.  It might be helpful to you.

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11 - pstern   5 Jul 2013 @ 7:55:48 PM 

You can read about petitioning and the process at

the Secretary of State's site

Hope it helps you and others to understand the process.

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12 - pstern   5 Jul 2013 @ 8:12:41 PM 

One of the issues with a petition is that you actually need 25 percent signatures, 10 percent more than the 15 percent you actually need because very often signatures are not accepted for varied reasons.  It's part of the process.

If you search around the site you can get more info on petitioning.  All of the process is not on the web page I provided.  If you are interesting you need to search in other areas.

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13 - humanbeing   5 Jul 2013 @ 8:26:07 PM 

Thank you, pstern!

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14 - concerned citizen   5 Jul 2013 @ 10:32:01 PM 

HB--do overs have been done TWICE by hospital district. They signed 2 different petitions to get it called for elections.  Now that community wants our elected officials in charge,  not hospital officials with poor record of running the hospital.  Your accusations of the community of being sore loser is inaccurate except losing money in hospital district that has history "of always having an outstretched hand with palm up".

15 - salon   6 Jul 2013 @ 8:45:16 AM 

HB -One definition of disgruntled is dissatisfied and that applies both to you and to those who are legally working on the petition. Never said you can't voice your opinion, nor would I tell you to get over it, but i also think it's unreasonable and unfair to compare what happened at the Texas Lege with this process.One reason is that the article's general tone and overall point is that the Republicans bent rules, enforced exceptions they don't normally, ignored points of order, including THEIR OWN RULES  etc. That's why the writer called it cheating-you didn't yourself but that's one major point of that article and does NOT apply to this petition which would lead to a referendum.

I agree with Peter Stern that you should look up the petition process. Having a signed petition, with verified, valid signatures, leads to an election, NOT to overturn an existing one. If, in your example, 750 people (or whatever the actual number is for 15%, I believe it is higher, more like over 800)  sign the petition, that just means that IF THOSE PEOPLE ALL VOTE in numbers larger than the ones that would vote not to dissolve the hospital, the district will be dissolved. A petition in and of itself does not overturn a vote. It is the right to petition your government, LEADING TO, if petition is valid, an election. And, right, Peter, that just because someone signs a petition doesn't make their signature valid; the signatures have to be checked for voter registration validity, for one. So this is not trivial, lightly done, insignificant and IS following the law.

CC, I also agree with you that if were true that once an issue was decided by the voters, it would never be brought up again, we wouldn't have had a second petition circulated to create a hospital district after the first election when it was soundly defeated.

I obviously support the petition, although I am not one of the people actively working with it. My hub is, though, and I'm pretty thrilled he is expending energy towards this. But he's not the only one, and he's not the only one who is signing. And all of the people either working on this, individually, as there is no organized group, as well as every single person who has signed and has yet to sign, are all following a legal, open process that is so unlike what the Texas Lege did that attempting to compare them, as CC said, is insulting to the citizens here who support this petition signing, which IS a democratic process.

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16 - humanbeing   6 Jul 2013 @ 9:28:12 AM 

I sincerely apologize to your readers and our community for my error in not making it clear in my original comment above that I was not accusing anyone of cheating. I was questioning the statute, not the legality of this petition.

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