What IS it about Republicans and RAPE? Sheesh! Tom Smith Steps into it Somervell County Salon-Glen Rose, Rainbow, Nemo, Glass....Texas


What IS it about Republicans and RAPE? Sheesh! Tom Smith Steps into it

28 August 2012 at 10:36:11 AM

Really, Republicans? Rape is equal to an *out of wedlock* pregnancy?????????

"Mr. Smith replied that he 'lived something similar to that with my own family, and she chose life. I commend her for that.'

"He added that his daughter wasn't the victim of a rape. Asked what the similar situation entailed, he said she became pregnant out of wedlock.

"Asked if having a child out of wedlock is similar to rape, he replied: 'No, no, no, but put yourself in a father's position, yes. It is similar. This isn't ...' He trailed off, then continued: 'But back to the original [question], I'm pro-life, period.'"

One other thing, Todd Smith says he believes life begins at conception. So is he, like Paul Ryan, a proponent of *personhood*? Someone needs to ask Mr Smith that.

Even among abortion opponents, Paul Ryan's views are extreme.

Ryan opposed a "life of the mother" exception in "partial-birth" abortion cases. Along with Todd Akin, he pursued legislation to redefine rape as "forcible rape."

Ryan was one of 64 House Republicans to co-sponsor the Sanctity of Human Life Act pushed by the "personhood" movement, which seeks to recognize every fertilized egg as a full person with the same constitutional rights as any other American citizen.

Besides Wisconsin Right to Life, the state's more extreme group, Prolife Wisconsin, has embraced Ryan.

This is where Paul Ryan and U.S. Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri, who is now running for a Senate seat against Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill, have a lot in common.

Ryan, despite the press releases saying that the Romney-Ryan ticket does not oppose abortion even in cases of rape and incest, has opposed those exceptions as a member of Congress. Also, despite distancing himself from Todd Akin's controversial assertion that women who are raped are somehow too scared to get pregnant, Ryan co-sponsored a bill with Akin that would redefine rape, providing federal assistance only to victims of "forcible rape."

Personhood USA, the group that has lobbied to outlaw not just abortion but birth control pills, the IUD, and in-vitro fertilization, was delighted when Mitt Romney chose Paul Ryan as his running mate.

While Romney was the only Republican presidential candidate who turned down all three of Personhood USA's debate invitations, Paul Ryan has been an advocate for the group's legislative goals in Congress.

The lingo Ryan uses show that he and Akin come out of the same extreme anti-choice-movement background.

Ryan invokes foundational ideas of the Personhood movement that sound odd to people who aren't part of that group. In speeches and at least one written opinion piece, he has compared Roe v. Wade to the Supreme Court's 1857 Dred Scott decision, holding that African American slaves were not full human beings.

Abortion, and forms of birth control that deny fetuses' humanity are, in this view, akin to slavery.

Get out the tin foil hats!

This made me laugh. Wisconsin Lt Gov Kleefisch was all about "Rape is Rape" until she found out that Paul Ryan cosponsored a bill aimed at categorizing rape.-I'm guessing she doesn't realize the irony of what she said.

Let's not forget that the Republican platform, just approved, has NO exceptions for rape. Mitt Romney is now, like when he was governor of MA, supportive of abortion in cases of rape or health issues, which undoubtedly won't sit too well with the Republicans who want to get rid of ANY reason to ahve an abortion (but still have no problems sending their families to war,-pro-life hypocrisy, anyone?) Is it any wonder a large part of the population believes the the Republican party are extremists?

P.S. Have to ask, how DOES a woman prove she was *legitimately* raped?

So here's an idea, first suggested by my daughter and one of her friends: Who's going to be the first reporter to ask Romney or Ryan how that would work? How would they implement that exception?

Would a woman's rapist have to be convicted in court? How would that work, given that in most criminal cases it takes longer than nine months from when the crime is committed to catch the criminal (assuming the criminal is caught), prepare charges and reach a verdict. In fact, the window would be significantly less than nine months; it would start from when the pregnancy is discovered and end somewhere around the 16 to 20 weeks left during which abortions can be performed most safely.

Or would the exception be triggered just on the woman's say-so? (Maybe that's part of what the mentally challenged Akin was talking about when he referred to "legitimate" rape.)

Or would there be some kind of new quasi-judicial process falling somewhere between a full-fledged trial and a simple statement of victimization? Would each state have to set up a new tribunal to handle these "cases"? Who would be the judges or juries? What evidence would be admissible? Would there be an adversary engaged to challenge the woman's claim and whatever evidence she offers? Who would that be? Could those challenges include references to her prior sexual history? Would there be criminal penalties for perjury? And, if as the Republican platform decrees, the outlawing of abortion should be implemented via a "human life" amendment to the Constitution, would Romney suggest that language defining rape and how it would qualify for the exception also be written into the Constitution? How would he craft language establishing that a fetus that is the product of rape is not a human life?

If each of these scenarios seems so absurd that it leaves Romney or Ryan tongue-tied when asked these simple, practical questions, maybe that says something about getting the state involved in these decisions, let alone rewriting the Constitution to codify them.

Worth mentioning one more time that Paul Ryan thinks rape is a *method of conception*. Ugh.

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