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Ron Paul won the California GOP Golden Gate Straw Poll... with 44.9 percent of votes
 


17 September 2011 at 10:28:19 PM
pstern

http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2011/09/ron-paul-wins-california-gop-straw.html

2011 Straw Poll Full Results (Votes, %)

Congressman Ron Paul (374, 44.9%)

Governor Rick Perry (244, 29.3%)

Mitt Romney (74, 8.8%)

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (64, 7.7%)

Jon Huntsman (17, 2.0%)

Herman Cain (15, 1.8%)


 

 

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1 - Juanita   18 Sep 2011 @ 12:34:38 PM 

Awesome!  Question for pstern: I clicked on the link you provided and read some of the comments there.  Some say the military isn't a fan of Ron Paul, others say they are.  What are your thoughts?  Or as with anything, is it split--do you think there's not really a yes or no answer regarding the military like or dislike of him?



2 - pstern   18 Sep 2011 @ 1:21:44 PM 

Actually a good question, Juanita, because there are so many inaccurate comments out there regarding Ron Paul.

Maybe the following information will help you and others fully comprehend Paul's position on the military and our involvement worldwide.  I have been following Ron Paul for the past 12 years and have been reading his comments, e-notices and speeches carefully.  While I certainly still don't know many things about Ron Paul and his words and actions, I think I know him better than most.

Ron Paul believes in using the U.S. military here and abroad when there is a direct need to defend our nation, people and/or military personnel.  He believes (as I do) that our enormous military expenditures do not make the U.S. any safer and that we should let overseas nations find their own way with their development and government.

Paul believes that we are too involved overseas in matters that do not directly concern us, nor does he perceive there being a security threat against the U.S.

He further believes that we should take a large percent of our overseas expenditures and rather divert those tax dollars to rebuilding our economy and infrastructures.  I don't know how Americans could not agree with that perspective.

However, military leaders and professional military personnel are not going to like that a prospective Presidential candidate is saying that he will cut military expenditures and recall many of our soldiers.  It lessens the need for and number of military personnel and maintaining hundreds of bases around the globe and it cuts the tax dollars that our military can count on and which it has had more of since 9/11.

I think both Republicans and Democrats recognize the need to cut our expenses to help balance our budget and one of the easiest places to do so is with military expenditures, especially when so many programs and actions are not needed for ensuring our own security and protection of our nation and people.  In other words, we can protect ourselves and our nation here and abroad while spending fewer tax dollars to do so.

The other thing is that Paul believes that the U.S. should not try to control the lives of other nations any more than most Republicans believe government should not interfere into our own private lives.

So, that's how Ron Paul views our military and expenditures to keep it operating efficiently without over paying with tax dollars to do so.

I hope that helps you and others get a clearer picture of this issue.


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3 - humanbeing   18 Sep 2011 @ 9:00:46 PM 

Ron Paul is an anti-Imperialist and is very appealing to me in this regard. He recognizes the fiscal insanity of maintaining military installations all over the world and our engagement in endless war as well as the inappropriateness of manipulating the governments of other countries in the name of preserving our interests.

While I could never support his anti-abortion views (why is this even included in the Presidential debate, anyway? This is something Americans will never agree on.) or his Energy policy, one that would essentially give carte blanche to energy companies to drill and pillage as much as they want in order to keep feeding our addiction and their profits.


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4 - humanbeing   18 Sep 2011 @ 9:09:15 PM 

(here's the rest of the sentence:) I do believe he is one of the few candidates pandering for votes.

I'm still, however, voting for Obama for President.


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5 - humanbeing   18 Sep 2011 @ 9:21:54 PM 

One more thing: I really don't think that any one person who assumes the Presidency of our country single-handedly has the power to reform a system that is corrupt and dysfunctional to the bone.

We're the only ones who can and that will be by changing the way we think which is the hardest thing of all to do.


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6 - pstern   19 Sep 2011 @ 8:04:33 AM 

Some good points, HB, however I still believe that the way things have now been set up and permitted between Congress and the wealthy elite, the people will never get control back over our nationa and direction until we eliminate campaign contributions, gifts and perks that wealthy PACs, corporations, lobbyists and other individuals and groups provide to our elected and appointed officials.

In addiiton, although it is not considered illegal or corrupt there is something VERY wrong with permitting our officials to accept jobs after they retire from political office with the very individuals, groups and corporate sector who have provided them for years with those campaign contributions, gifts and perks.  At the least it has to be a conflict of interests, yet the cycle goes on.

Lastly, I recall reading somewhere that at least 30 to 40 percent of congressional members are considered millionaires which is curious or interesting in itself.

Then you get people like Rick Perry who became a millionaire WHILE serving as Governor of Texas.  That in itself is (or should be) eyebrow raising.


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7 - pstern   19 Sep 2011 @ 8:14:42 AM 

By the way, I need to say something about this abortion thing hanging over Ron Paul.

Personally, I believe that any woman must make her own educated decision about whether or not to opt for an abortion and she will have to live with that decsion for her entire life.  However, there is an obvious reason why Ron Paul is anti-abortion.

It goes to the fact that Ron Paul is a doctor who is held to the Hippocratic Oath.  If a doctor adheres to the Oath, how could he or she support abortion?  It is irrational for anyone to think so.

You could make the case that intelligent choice should override the Oath; however, as a doctor one could never really suppport eliminating life on any level unless it is a physiological reality, that perhaps it is the last resort.  Even then a doctors own belief may conflict with the Hippocratic Oath.

So, I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but I think many people make too big a deal regarding Ron Paul's view on abortion.  If you look at the fact that he is and has been a doctor all these years you should be able to get past that issue with him.  You don't have to agree with him, but move on and stop holding him in contempt for it.


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8 - humanbeing   19 Sep 2011 @ 2:52:41 PM 

It's not that he's anti-abortion but that he wants to repeal Roe v. Wade and withdraw funding from family planning programs. From his site:

"Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”

* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”

Because he agrees with Thomas Jefferson that it is “sinful and tyrannical” to “compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors,” Ron Paul will also protect the American people’s freedom of conscience by working to prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions, Planned Parenthood, or any other so-called “family planning” program."


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9 - pstern   19 Sep 2011 @ 3:17:41 PM 

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate. 

Ron Paul wants to repeal the law because of 3 main reasons:

  1. In a Democracy we want and believe that people should assume responsibility [social, spriritual, political and financial) for their own choices in life.
  2. We do not believe that taxpayers should pay for massive [including social] programs that the majority of people do not want or do not believe in.
  3. Government should NOT get involved in the private affairs and daily lives of the people it serves.

I don't believe that the American people should be forced by their government to contribute their tax dollars to Planned Parenthood or any other such organization any more than we should be forced to contribute to the Presidential Fund [which we are not] as per on our annual Federal Income taxes. 

For that matter, government should not tell us how to spend our money at all unless it is for federal/government responsibilities as outlined by the U.S. Constitution.  People have the right to contribute to these or any other organizations without being forced to do so.

I don't comprehend why it is that certain people don't want government to force us to allow religion into our daily lives and public educational facilities, but it's okay for government to tell us to support abortions and force us to contribute for them and other such causes.  You could respond that it is because of humanitarian reasons, but it is not in the Constitution.

In order for laws to be accepted and placed on record and enforced successfully, the majority of the people must support them.


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10 - humanbeing   19 Sep 2011 @ 7:34:29 PM 

Roe v. Wade allows women to legally make a personal choice to terminate an unwanted pregnancy by undergoing a safe, medically sound procedure. Women have been terminating these pregnancies for centuries, sometimes mutilating or killing themselves in the process, and they will most likely continue to do so whether abortion is legal or not. To repeal this law would be discriminatory and a major, government-mandated intrusion into women's private lives by not allowing them to make their choices without fear of legal or life-threatening repercussions. This is not an issue that is, or could ever be, agreed upon by a majority. It is an individual choice.

I'd rather be taxed for massive social programs that contribute to the overall health and well-being of our citizens and our country, than some of the government's more dubious projects, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Are there problems of abuse and in the management of these programs. Yes. By the way, hasn't Congress been stealing money from Social Security for years?

This idea that all men (and women) are created equal sounds noble but in reality, it is a myth. All people do not share the same social, spiritual, financial, intellectual, educational or physical gifts or circumstances in their lives. People in our country sometimes need help.

I think the public vs. private discussion is certainly a valid one, probably one that can never finally be determined by any majority. The majority morphs back and forth, back and forth, does it not? I chose to accept my 'contribution' for the good of all, as a citizen in what used to be the wealthiest nation in the world. I abhor all the other stuff I'm forced to contribute to.





 


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