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Video-City of Glen Rose and Darrell Webb- Chris Bryant Motion to Fire Webb
 


Audio and Some Pics Here-... Link to Agenda Here

UPDATE: Link to the letter that went into his file.

Rough transcript-listen to the audio or watch the video to get exact wording.

Last night Pam Miller read the notice about going into executive session to discuss personnel matters. I was about to turn off my camera when Darrell Webb spoke up from the audience that he wanted this matter to be discussed in open session. Miller checked with attorney Lucas to be sure this was okay (seemed to me that city council already knew this would be asked for open session).

Chris Bryant then said the session was being held to discuss city ordinance and policy.council has worked a long time to create city ordinances, think we've come a long way.. ordinances are not getting met. Darrellis head over code enforcement, we keep having recurring issues. As of January we developed ordinance for building plan... has been problems with hotels looking the same. .. tonight we are going to be discussing Darrell Web's disciplinary action or possible termination. Dollar General, native rock goal, a lot of that got overlooked.; Webb- the ordinance was not in place at that time. Are we talking about that issue or are we talking about Family Dollar? Bryant-I'm going back over different periods of time of what has led us to this point. The Dollar General is a big issue still. I don't believe that the lighting issue is fixed.. still. Webb. We checked it with our meter, it meets code. SOMEONE-Ricky Villa? It doesn't right now. Bryant-Dollar Tree was not on the city ordinance, we developed an ordinance, in January and there was nothing about it that was in compliance.It was deliberately Webb-it was not deliberately done. Bryant-then how was it done? Webb-you're making it look like I"m malicious here, I'm not being malicious, I'm trying to do my job. Bryant. what did you not understand that when you signed off on this... your building plan didn't meet our ordinance.Webb-it says in the ordinance that you're wanting 60 percent native stone, but there's also .. there can be some exemptions there Bryant-where's the 60 percent stone? Webb-there's exemptions where I don't have to use the 60 percent. Bryant-there is no exemption where you can't use 60 percent stone. Webb-paragraph E -exemptions may be approved by the building official, that would be me. Bryant- under D ... based on the comprehensive plan.. the comprehensive plan does not agree with the building that you signed off on. Webb. How's that? Bryant. Do you have your comprehensive plan with you? Webb. I do not.  Bryant references 4-13. Time and time again I asked you if you understood the comprehensive plan, do you understand what the council is looking for? This was after Dollar General and you assured me yes. What about places like Ranch House, doesn't that fit into our community? Yes. it's under the understanding that ... you had to have known what we've been doing for the past 3 years. Webb-this hasn't been going for three years, you just passed this ordinance this year. Bryant. yeah.. this is one of the very first subjects that was brought when I started my term as council. Webb-apparently I must lack the training. Bryant-no you lack being at the council meetings. .. it was suggested that you be here. Webb. I have a superintendent that's over me. I work for him. Bryant-you don't feel like you needed to be at city meetings that involved your department? Webb.; What does that have to do with the subject at hand? Bryant-a lot, it's things you would have known. AUDIENCE-but if he has a boss and the boss is here.... Mitchell- He doesn't. He's appointed. He doesn't have togo through the city superintendent. Bruce-He does day to day.(More on that 60 percent stone and CPAC/comprehensive plan) 

Also, here is video from November 11, 2007 where Billy Huckaby and Chris Bryant, in context of the new hotels, talked about zoning standards.

UPDATE. Here are a few photos of Family Dollar up on 67.

Looks like some kind of concrete block material in front.  Definitely not 60 percent stone.

Bryant-code enforcement has been on the biggest issues since I've been here. Webb-you know you're the very one that's talking about ordinance that we've tried to enforce, you actually pull the citations that we give, so that seems Bryant. Never. Webb. Never?.. because someone at Red Barn happened to get upset and call you on a citation that we gave and so you pulled it. Bryant-until proper procedures could be implemented because what was going on was singling people out. Webb. We never said we picked out people. Miller. Hey!  Remember we don't want to argue., we want to stick to the facts.  (This is what Webb was referring to)

Mitchell-well, I've got nothing but complaints on that building. You know what we want, I don't know why you allowed it. Webb. Well, I sure didn't do it intentionally....... I thought we were still working on comprehensive planning. Mitchell. The ordinances are .. we have voted on 60 percent stone. Webb-sounds to me that we need to have a committee to sign off on these prints because apparently I missed something. Bryant-Darrell, you've missed a lot of things. Webb-are you telling me I can't make mistakes in my job? Bryant-I'm saying you're incompetent in your job. Even when I sat on the board of adjustments, we were having to adjust Webb: Those adjustments weren't done by me. Bryant-I was reading documents that had your signature on them. back to the subject at hand, I don't understand how after working so long you didn't understand what we were looking for when we're talking about building plans for Glen Rose. It wasn't just one it was a couple of issues on that building, did you just sign off on it? And what about the lighting, you never addressed that. Webb. Because what they gave me, it was gonna work. Bryant-what they gave you was 20 times higher Webb. and we adjusted that. Bryant-because of the complaints that I brought to the board. ... why do we develop these ordinances if they can be signed off on, build whatever you want to. These people had a plan, it was their standard plan.. it was up to you to present the dity of glen rose Webb-and we had given them the rock ordinance.Bryant-their standard plan is not the city of  Glen Rose's standard plan. Oldenburg-you do not have a person that you answer to? Webb-Ronald Bruce.Bryant-did you present to Ronald any of the questions you had about the ordinance? (No answer from Webb). Bryant-rock shows up, damage is done. Webb. You gave me the authority in this ordinance, I guess. .. the only thing I had to compare that with was Dollar General. Bryant-you couldnt[ compare it to all the council meetings we had?  Webb: Since this ordinance was put in place I've done two commercial buildings. The end of one was Familly Dollar, it was before this ordinance. So I've only done one commercial job since then, so forgive me for making a mistake. Bryant-it's far from a mistake, Darrell. Villa. This ordinance was created to avoid what happened at the Dollar Tree Dollar General, first Dollar store, yet the same exact thing was built at the Family Dollar, so how you can not know, I don't understand that. .. I was pretty instrumental in creating that ordinance and it was not giving the building official the power to do whatever he wants, only based on the comprehensive plan.

Bryant-we're talking about your position, not up to council to drive by and see if things are being done properly. Webb. I'm not looking to the council to do that.  I have a superintendent that can do that... did you not hear what I just said? Bryant- at what point did you bring it to the superintendent's attention that something is wrong with this? Webb: Like I said, this ordinance has only been in place for a few months .. I'm trying my best to abide by the ordinance. .. I"m sorry that I can't be mistake -free. Bryant if it had been little, but this has been ongoing . Webb-ongoing, I keep hearing that word.. you keep saying Dollar General, this wasn't even in that time frame. You're not making sense. Bryant. You're not making sense. Webb. This is ridiculous. Bryant, you know what? Webb. Go ahead and say it, you want to terminate me, just like you did Weldon.Bryant. It's my recommendation that we fire Darrell Webb for incompetence as city code enforcer. I make a motion to do so

Miller: Before I ask for a second, I have a letter to read.  "I'm writing as a mother...Darrell's been working for the city for 22 years.... I personally checked and he's never been written up.... are you aware that he's in his sixth week of chemo. He's been very sick for about 3 months now. If he should lose his job he will also lose his insurance. He also has children that are depending on their daddy.;.. this is his third try, the first two times his body rejected .. his treatments are 4600 a month, that does not include insulin..."Bryant-you know, any kind of a comment we make after that is going to appear heartless and sarcastic, and I'm sorry for that. ..

UPDATE: I had been told it was Webb's wife who was speaking but this information is incorrect. Therefore, I am changing the speaker to AUDIENCE and do apologize for the error.

Bryant- it comes back to my motion, full awareness of what city council wants. .. Webb. Have you ever worked 20 years for the same? Bryant. No I haven't Webb. Shows a little bit about character. Bryant-lack of interest in your job to take it pretty much on yourself to sign off on everything we've been working for, whether we'rve never been written up, whether it's one or three or four times, AUDIENCE-So you fire Darrell who else knows the ordinances? Miller: bill and Ronald. AUDIENCE. So they're all certified?... if we hire someone we'd get someone with all the certifications? Bryant. Correct. AUDIENCE; If Ronald knows all the codes and the ordinances, how come he didn't step up and correct Darrell, since he's his boss.; Bryant. Darrell has his own job. Bruce was not approached with an undecided fact, it was Darrell's job to maintain our policy. AUDIENCE There's usually a letter of the law about how you go about doing things. .. How can you out and out fire somebody when you've never bothered to reprimand him, write him up and build a case... ? Bryant. The law does allow for this. I've contact tml and this can be justified without ever being written up.

Miller: Sue has some comments. Oldenburg-what other alternatives do you have?.. Final resolution

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1 - jan Daniels   15 Jun 2010 @ 16:11

Please make note, Mrs. Webb never spoke in that meeting. The lady on the front (I don't know who she was) spoke and some others. You owe her an apology. Please correct this.

2 - salon   15 Jun 2010 @ 16:50

Thanks for letting me know, I have corrected that.

3 - Fred Fubar   17 Jun 2010 @ 14:53

 

I was not in the meetings and I thank this website for providing the video & transcript.It just sounds to me like this Webb person knew the rules but for some unknown reason, chose to disregard them.  It is likely that this behavior has been tolerated in the City government for a long time and I personally know that it has in a few instances.  It also sounds like a few of the city council members have a burr under their saddle about this guy for some reason.  Based on the video and transcript, it is hard to tell what the truth is.  It seems as if there are some personal issues under there somewhere.

This needs to change permanently by formalizing the employee disciplinary policy within the city not for just this person but for everyone.  It would ensure that employees get treated the same and fairly while at the same time removing considerable room for criticism of the city council and city leadership.

The city personnel policy needs to outline what steps need to be taken in disciplinary situations.  If the employee is, as this guy seems, blatant in the disregard of the spirit as well as letter of the law as made clear by the governing body, then that employee, after the first written reprimand, would be terminated without regard to any ancillary issues – medical or otherwise.  If the infraction were not blatant, perhaps even a second written reprimand would be appropriate.  In any case, this section in the personnel policy needs to carefully lay out a procedure for dealing with these kinds of issues and not leave them as they are today which is an one-off-ad-hoc decision.   

By the way, the Mayor (such as she is) was completely out of line reading that letter in open session.  It had nothing to do with whether or not the person was doing their job or not; nothing to do with the subject at hand and was an obvious ploy by the mayor to influence the vote.  Anyone competent to be Mayor would have known better.

Businesses complain that the ordinances are not evenly enforced, and that is likely and likely intentional, but the employees can equally argue that the employment rules are not evenly enforced.   I would suggest that the city get a manual from a bigger city or a corporation and modify it as necessary and that the Council hold the Administrator or Mayor responsible for its enforcement.  Set out the rules in an impersonal logical way so that when a situation like this comes up, everyone will understand the rules and their enforcement.

Since the claims made by others against Mr. Webb cannot be proven with written documentation, then the council made the correct decision.  If however, the employee continues to behave without regard to the city official rules and regulations, he should be automatically fired.

The city council and mayor need to learn from this.   It does not take a long memory to recall similar situations in the past with equally unpleasant and contentious outcomes; outcomes that should have resulted in such a policy.  If this kind of situation occurs again with this person or any other employee, then the mayor and council are at fault for not dealing with it in a formalized manner and establishing and publicizing its disciplinary policy. 

4 - lookingtothefuture   18 Jun 2010 @ 23:07

Everyone needs to know that the city does have an employee handbook and a policy on this such matter.  The city/council did not follow the policy, the policy is that an employee has to be written up 3 times for the same infraction before they can be terminated.  I feel that they should make this policy public knowledge or each of them read it themselves before something like this happens again.  i believe only 1 of the persons that they spoke of on Code Enforcement is certified.  I would also like to know why the spuervisor kept his mouth shut during all of this.  I guess he was too busy riding around town to even know what was going on.

5 - salon   19 Jun 2010 @ 17:11

@LTTF-that's very interesting. Will check on that next week.

6 - lookingtothefuture   20 Jun 2010 @ 13:58

@salon-while you are checking into that, check this out too, a friend of mine was told that (this was by a city employee) the current supervisor, RB, is not certified in code enforcement.   They do not believe that he has ever been to school for it and is the current employees still going to school for their license in waste water and drinking water, the license go from A(which is the highest to D, They have to have a license in each one so that they can check on the wells and the treatment plant by the expo

7 - salon   20 Jun 2010 @ 21:09

Does the city supervisor have to be certified? It's a good question. copy of city superintendent job description. Incidentally, I have been wondering if maybe, between stopping the city administrator job search and bumping up Bruce to be head of Oakdale, if this is a plan to put Bruce in instead of a city administrator? What do you think?

8 - humanbeing   20 Jun 2010 @ 22:36

Looks like an administrator would have more power than a supervisor. Here's my read on what's going on: the mayor does not want her power diminished by the addition of an administrator. She wants someone to do her bidding, period.

9 - Fredrica Fubar   21 Jun 2010 @ 17:55

So if there was not a disciplinary letter in Mr. Webb’s personnel file for disregarding ordinances and CP, was there one in his supervisor’s file for not following the personnel policy? 

If it is the norm for the employment policies not to be followed, it explains the behavior of both Mr. Webb and his supervisor.  If employees can do what they wish without consequences then why bother enforcing anything other than what they want?

Without effective leadership, the policies, ordinances and CP will only be followed at the whim of the employees and that should surprise no one.  By the way, if you put one of the current people in charge, nothing will change.  Our current Mayor is only matched in incompetence by former mayor Connie.  

10 - lookingtothefuture   22 Jun 2010 @ 19:41

@ salon, thanks for putting that up so that all can see.  I am really surprised that they have not included in either of the job descriptions that they have to have a license in waster water and drinking water. I believe and you can correct me if I am wrong, that they have to have a: AA in waster water and ground water and of course be certified in Code Enforcement.  And I don't see that any where.  To me, and this is only my opinion, they make it sound like anyone  can do this job.  I just don't know what to think about any of this.  It's almost like the City, pardon the pun, is going to hell in a hand basket.

 

@ Fredrica  Fubar , in my mind, I don't believe that there was a  disciplinary letter put in the supervisor's file.  I don't know if he was shocked to hear this news or he was trying to hide himself not to be dragged into all the mess.  But as a supervisor he should have stepped up and told him where he was going wrong, just like he should do with all the employees.  You are right about  the current people in charge.  I really don't know if anyone has noticed in , my opinion only, how much a disarray the city looks now a days.  Our current Mayor can not even get to the meetings on time and she has to play with her cell phone while she should be taking care of City business.

11 - salon   24 Jun 2010 @ 14:22

Here's what I was told today. First, although the personnel handbook does have procedures for disciplining employees, they allow options such as oral reprimand-in other words, there is no requirement that a reprimand must lead to a letter in a file. Second, the job descriptions are what they are- if there are no education requirements listed in a job req, then there is no requirement for the person applying to have any particular education or certification.

12 - lookingtothefuture   24 Jun 2010 @ 15:54

So, does that mean that anyone from off the street can hire on. Then go around town and check the wells that we get our drinking water from and not know how to properly do this job because they were not trained and certified.

13 - Fredrica Fubar   24 Jun 2010 @ 19:47

So based on the above, we are not going to fix the problem and can expect the employees to continue to enforce only what they wish to enforce.  No penalty and no records.  Sounds to me like we are setting ourselves up to repete this kind of situation again.  Let me see, that is 4 that I know about.  How many will it take before the city govenrment fixes the underlying problem?

14 - Fredrica Fubar   24 Jun 2010 @ 19:50

No one should be surprised the next time this same sort of thing happens; and it will. 

15 - salon   24 Jun 2010 @ 20:04

Here's what I think needs to happen. If the job descriptions don't contain the level of education or certification that the citizens want, then the citizens need to speak up. Go tell your city councilperson, go speak up in public comments at the beginning of every city meeting and ask for this to be put on the agenda for discussion. Same thing for personnel issues, which I want to write about at length in the next day- if the procedures don't explicitly spell out writing up infractions, they can be changed. From my POV,none of this is written in stone AND the city council is essentially working for the citizen and not the other way around.

16 - humanbeing   24 Jun 2010 @ 20:06

This problem is just one more reminder that the city needs an administrator. How come Glen Rose still doesn't have one? The Mayor.

17 - salon   24 Jun 2010 @ 20:15

Honestly, I am wondering, and I think the all day *retreat* which is an open meeting for the public to attend, where the discussion about the city administrator will happen again will be revealing.

18 - lookingtothefuture   26 Jun 2010 @ 21:13

When and where will the "retreat" take place?

19 - salon   26 Jun 2010 @ 21:19

Although there's no agenda yet for it, July 10th is the date and I believe that they will be meeting at council chambers. Last time they went out to the Somervell Field House out by Luminant. Hub recorded that one; the only record of that meeting is the video he shot. I think they didn't realize that you can't just go off and have a meeting with all the council people and it not be an open meeting where you have to follow the Open Meetings Act.

20 - lookingtothefuture   27 Jun 2010 @ 20:54

In reponse to your earlier comment about speaking up at the council meetings.  i have emailed the city supervisor asking why it is ok that most of the city employees ride around without wearing seat belts, using city vehicles for personal use and  having non city employees (children) in the vehicles.  If I get no response from this, then maybe you will find out who I am at a council meeting during the comments from the public.

21 - salon   27 Jun 2010 @ 21:24

Heh! Hope you do!

22 - salon   28 Jun 2010 @ 17:53

didn't make it. If you did go, do a top level post with what you thought. If I get a chance in the next couple of days, I'll go get the audio from the city.

23 - lookingtothefuture   29 Jun 2010 @ 15:29

@salon, I did not make it either had  family not feeling too well last night.  I'm wondering what they decided on with the peddlers on the square.  I sure would miss seeing them there.


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