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Perry Appoints 'Bible-Thumping' Cynthia Dunbar to Head SBOE???
 


9 July 2009 at 8:34:01 AM
pstern

NOT ON MY WATCH!!!

Perry has lost his mind completely!

I have no problem with the Bible.  I think the Old Testament is a great work of mankind.  I believe every person should read it at least once.  But I do NOT believe our children should study the Bible as part of our Public Education curriculum. 

It's a good idea for teachers to present and briefly discuss the Bible in a classroom presentation as an acknowledgement, right there alongside the concept of evolution, global warming, the Koran, Buddism, Muslims, democracy, communism, Blacks, Hispanics, Jews and any other topics teachers want to present.  But only as an acknowledgement of their existence in our World.

Children have plenty of time to research more knowledge on these topics at their own time and/or later in life when they attend college.

But Perry wants this person to head the State Board of Education (SBOE).  Cynthia Dunbar is known throughout Texas for her stubborn stance on pushing for Bible teaching in our public schools, while ridding classrooms of any evolutionary discussion.

You can't have it only your way, Cynthia!   It's called Public Education for a reason!

Cynthia Dunbar also is the bible-packing whacko whose intelligence is severely lacking.  This is NOT the sort of leadership Texans need.

Case in point:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/11/dunbar_tries_to_backpeddle.php

Email Gov. Rick Perry and let him know that Cynthia Dunbar is NOT the person to head the SBOE.
 
Here's the link to email Perry:
 
 
 
 
Sample email:
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Dear Governor Rick Perry:
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Please do NOT appoint Cynthia Dunbar as the head of the SBOE.  This woman is NOT the sort of leadership we need on the Board of Education.
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There are many, more intelligent and experienced Texans who should be considered first.
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Texas parents and their children deserve better than Ms. Dunbar.
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Thank you.
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1 - salon   9 Jul 2009 @ 9:21:20 AM 

I was just reading about that on a FW Star-Telegram link.  Course Perry LIKED McLeroy, so it's not surprise he likes anti-science Dunbar.

Dunbar, who home-schooled her children, also made headlines last year when she posted a column, titled "Freedoms Will Be At Risk Under President Obama," on a Christian Web site.

The column questioned whether the president is a U.S. citizen. It also speculated that his presidency might bring on a terrorist attack and a suspension of rights under martial law.

That's one of the things that gets me. She doesn't even have her own kids in public education. How does someone with contempt for public education (must be, right, or she'd have her kids enrolled) make decisions ABOUT public education for the state?


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2 - pstern   9 Jul 2009 @ 9:42:07 AM 

Home schooling your kids does not necessarily imply a "contempt for public education".  Many parents home school because they provide a better knowledge base and more secure learning environment for their children than is available in public school.

I home school my 12-year old because I am qualified and experienced to do so.  In addition, my child went to school but was bored and did not improve his basic skills expediently.  We both decided that we would home school.

My biggest consideration is that we are 1 on 1 instead of the public school ratio of 1 to 33 or so.

What Dunbar teaches her children at home based on her own beliefs is her own business, but what she wants to teach all Texas children in public education is inappropriate, to say the least.  It is not her place to teach her own beliefs within a public education system.


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3 - salon   9 Jul 2009 @ 9:47:52 AM 

Does in Dunbar's case, where she has called public education a *subtle tool of perversion*. I agree with you about home schooling, I also agree about her keeping her views out of the public but it's, for me, trumped by the fact that she sneers at public education in the first place.


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4 - pstern   9 Jul 2009 @ 11:50:56 AM 

Apparently, Perry also "sneers at" public education by appointing Dunbar and for his ongoing inability over the years to improve it.


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5 - Anon   9 Jul 2009 @ 1:09:41 PM 

I was wondering if this Cynthia Dunbar is any relationship with the Anna Dunbar at the TCEQ?



6 - James   9 Jul 2009 @ 2:13:14 PM 

Thump away, I was in school when they removed prayer, it went downhill.  Walk thru a Dallas school, if you have the nerve, anything that would help, I'm for.  You wouldn't have to teach the Bible direct, but  morals or manners would help, a quite time to pray if you want to.  What a lot of us object to is the anti God movement, majority should at least have a say so, why should Christains have to home school, let the atheist pull their kids out.  Most schools and hospitals were started by Christains.  It's another follow the money, vouchers threaten those school and their tax districts  that have poor performance, whenever you take away free enterprise you take away incentive.  Sure it would be a big transition, with overcrowding, but as it is, the public and their kids are not being served.



7 - pstern   9 Jul 2009 @ 3:17:09 PM 

James, Christians and any other religious group should home school or send their kids to religious private schools if they want their kids to to get educated in the religion.  Public school should not have any religious overtones to it.  That's part of the purpose of PUBLIC education.

Hey!  What about the atheists who would have to pull their kids out of school?  Why should they do that if religion is taught in public school? 

Most schools and hospitals were started by Christians?  You are really weird with some of these comments.  So what if they were?

Christianity rose from the Hebrews (Jews), whose roots were way before Christ came around.  You are quite lucky that the Jewish people didn't feel the same way about Christians that you do about people who don't want prayer or religion discussed in public education.  Otherwise, there would not necessarily be as many Christians around today.

In addition, some of the first universities in the 13 colonies arose from the revenues of lotteries.

Be that all as it may, people who pay taxes that finance public education have the right to expect that education to be void of any religion or religious preference.  If YOU don't like that you can send your kids to private school or home school them.

Lastly, "free enterprise" these days has NOT worked out too well for all of us.  Look at the deregulation and/or lax legislation of higher education, home insurance premiums, health care costs, electricity, etc.  After deregulation of these entities the costs have increased dramatically.  Free enterprise has nothing "free" about it.

Overcrowding and under-financing are a large part of the problem.  There are many other issues.


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8 - salon   9 Jul 2009 @ 8:08:30 PM 

@James. Just a few things before I, a vegetable tonight after doing a project, going to watch a movie. First up, I strongly believe in separation of church and state. No one is preventing people from praying in school. No one. (and if anyone tries to, they are taken to court)-but there's a difference between private prayer and school-sanctioned, group-led prayer. Since we have freedom of religion (or freesom from religion) in this country, would you want to see a group led prayer by someone whose faith you didn't share? What if a muslim led a prayer to Allah? What if it was a Jewish prayer, would you feel good about everyone joining in a prayer to a god you don't yourself pray to or believe in in the same way? Who decides, if it's a public school activity, whose God gets prayed to by the class? That is one major reason why I believe that the way it is now, where any student can pray (say, before a test) privately, or anytime, in fact, during the day is the way to go. Anything other than that is state-sponsored religion. Heck, take the Catholics versus the Protestants and the wars that were fought in Europe over that. It's one main reason that the founders of this country wanted a separation between government and religion and that's as it should be.

I don't know that I agree that people have to pull their kids out of school, although a lot have in order to reach the kids they way THEy want. I mean, a parent has the responsibility and the duty to make sure their children are taught the way they want and if they don't agree with something that is taught in the school and it conflicts religiously, to talk to their kids about why they agree or don't agree.

There was a court case down in Santa Fe, Texas about 9 years ago where a Mormon and Catholic family objected to school sponsored prayer at football games . and won the case.  Again, it wasn't that it was Christians versus Athiests, it was different flavors of Christians who objected to the particular prayer (I remember, as a child, being raised as a Southern Baptist, where people who were Catholics were looked down upon as not being *true* Christians. The same thing goes on now with Mormons. Again, who gets to decide who is the REAL faith? People can worship as they please but the public schools need to stay free from an establishment of religion.

Now back to being a veg


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9 - Atheist   10 Jul 2009 @ 2:43:42 AM 

Buddhism is (actually) spelt with an "h."
"Muslims"?; no, no, no. If we're speaking about religion(/s), one may learn about Islam.

Personally I think religion ought to be studied in public schools (noticed I said "studied," not "taught").

Look up a little Daniel C. Dennett. I would adopt a version of his plan for public school theology.



10 - salon   10 Jul 2009 @ 7:24:25 AM 

Video -Daniel Dennett on religion in schools.


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11 - James   10 Jul 2009 @ 9:11:55 AM 

Short of time this morning, I appreciated everyone's input, and civil debate.  In short, I believe in self government-majority rules, we are the public.  And free enterprise, to me is the freedom between my customer and myself to determine my worth, nothing else makes sense.



12 - salon   10 Jul 2009 @ 9:44:08 AM 

@James. The issue, to me, comes up in the form of *tyranny of the majority*.  Here we have, as a tenet for American life, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". But take a couple of scenarios. Your children attend a school in which the majority of people are followers of islamic law; they decide they want to have state-sponsored prayer at school and require that 4 times per day, every child get on a mat and face towards mecca. Your child, being one sect of Christianity, doesn't want to participate but even if he or she doesn't, he or she is made to feel like an outsider because every other kid is doing it. Or, a second example. You know that Catholics pray to Mary. Would you mind if there was state-sponsored prayer where the prayers were to St Mary? And I'm saying where there is an instance where the majority of public school students are Catholic. I would mind. And it wouldn't make me feel better about it to hear "Well, the majority of students here want to be able to pray to Allah.". THAT is why in matters of religious conscience, people can believe what they want, but the government needs to stay out of it.


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13 - pstern   10 Jul 2009 @ 12:47:27 PM 

UPDATE!!!

Gov. Rick Perry on Friday named Gail Lowe, R-Lampasas, as chairwoman of the State Board of Education.

Lowe, co-publisher of the Lampasas Dispatch Record, was first elected to the board in 2002 after serving on the Lampasas school board.

Perry’s pick avoids the controversy that would have followed if he had selected one of the members whose names have been floated as likely candidates, including Cynthia Dunbar, R-Richardson.

Lowe consistently votes with the conservative wing of the 15-member board but she has typically been a quiet presence.

She will succeed Don McLeroy, R-Bryan, whose confirmation was scuttled this spring in the Texas Senate.


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14 - salon   10 Jul 2009 @ 2:08:55 PM 

Not real quiet. That's my education rep.


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15 - pstern   14 Jul 2009 @ 8:59:13 AM 

FYI,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/12/gail-lowe-perry-picks-cre_n_230167.html

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